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		<title>By: LOLCAT</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UNIX BASED SYSTEMS ROCKS MY SOCKS</description>
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		<title>By: demon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pure reason I DL BSD was to learn programming and how OS work :D 
with windows U just use their DLL in U application and Say &quot;Hey It works I am a programmer now&quot; --
U Would Have no clue what the system did</description>
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with windows U just use their DLL in U application and Say &#8220;Hey It works I am a programmer now&#8221; &#8211;<br />
U Would Have no clue what the system did</p>
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		<title>By: pyperdown</title>
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		<dc:creator>pyperdown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 06:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Webjourneyman,

Dude that sucks...  It&#039;s really odd sometimes - I&#039;ve had a few windows boxes that have been fairly stable, but then stuff like what happened to you occurs, and It&#039;s kinda unpredictable.  We had two machines at work thursday freak out due to a failed patch install,  svchost.exe kept puking, (something about memory could not be read).  Windows diags are so sh1tty, took an hour of googling to find I had to remove the patches from  last tuesday, and then reinstall manually.  6 reboots later everything appears to be fine.  But SIX REBOOTS?!?!?!?!?!  Holy crap.  You have to &quot;love&quot; windows.

While I&#039;ve not personally used it much, I hear really good things about ubuntu and its derivitives (kubuntu, edubuntu, et al).  They have more of the end-user stuff that you expect for multimedia functionality.  Redhat distros don&#039;t (fear of patent litigation, etc means missing av codecs and stuff like that.  You can get them, but it can be a pain).  You can get a live CD to start messing with it, so you don;t have to go cold turkey off windows.  The ideal scenario for a lot of people would be a linux or unix foundation with a windows gui, though I suspect that will never happen.  In 5-10 years microsoft will go the way of wordperfect.

Dive in, man.  It&#039;s really quite liberating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Webjourneyman,</p>
<p>Dude that sucks&#8230;  It&#8217;s really odd sometimes &#8211; I&#8217;ve had a few windows boxes that have been fairly stable, but then stuff like what happened to you occurs, and It&#8217;s kinda unpredictable.  We had two machines at work thursday freak out due to a failed patch install,  svchost.exe kept puking, (something about memory could not be read).  Windows diags are so sh1tty, took an hour of googling to find I had to remove the patches from  last tuesday, and then reinstall manually.  6 reboots later everything appears to be fine.  But SIX REBOOTS?!?!?!?!?!  Holy crap.  You have to &#8220;love&#8221; windows.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;ve not personally used it much, I hear really good things about ubuntu and its derivitives (kubuntu, edubuntu, et al).  They have more of the end-user stuff that you expect for multimedia functionality.  Redhat distros don&#8217;t (fear of patent litigation, etc means missing av codecs and stuff like that.  You can get them, but it can be a pain).  You can get a live CD to start messing with it, so you don;t have to go cold turkey off windows.  The ideal scenario for a lot of people would be a linux or unix foundation with a windows gui, though I suspect that will never happen.  In 5-10 years microsoft will go the way of wordperfect.</p>
<p>Dive in, man.  It&#8217;s really quite liberating.</p>
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		<title>By: webjourneyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>webjourneyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info Pyperdown, next time I buy a computer I&#039;m gonna decline the windows package and run it on unix/linux from beginning. The computer I&#039;m on now is barely a year old and has already crashed onece, totally wiping my windows profile with doc&#039;s relating to school. It would be nice never having to worry about that happening again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info Pyperdown, next time I buy a computer I&#8217;m gonna decline the windows package and run it on unix/linux from beginning. The computer I&#8217;m on now is barely a year old and has already crashed onece, totally wiping my windows profile with doc&#8217;s relating to school. It would be nice never having to worry about that happening again.</p>
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		<title>By: pyperdown</title>
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		<dc:creator>pyperdown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>webjourneyman,

I recall my first foray into linux - I think my first reason was pure ego - knowing linux or unix has an enormous amount of geek-cred.  I went out and bought a slackware book with a CD, a scsi drive and adapter (this was 1993 or so, no IDE support yet).  I remember being blown away by the complexity of the file system, the difficulty of getting X running, and so on.  Fast forward to 1998.  I was working in a mostly mac environment, w/novell servers.  They were very reliable, but the licensing was expensive.  I remember thinking about linux and wondering if it could serve files for mac clients, did some research and found the netatalk project.

Once I got that working under linuxppc (now defunct, I think) I had proof of concept.  We had a big network upgrade project going on, and new servers were part of the job.  We opted to go for linux (the savings allowed us to buy a robotic tape library).  I wish I had done more with it before that deployment, but it forced me to learn.  There are some things I miss about novell (permissions structure is one thing).  There is NOTHING I miss about the microsoft environment.  While many of my collegues at other similar organizations were turned into reboot monkeys, and having to deal with the difficulties of maintaining exchange, my stuff just ran and ran.

So yeah there&#039;s a learning curve.  And there is also an UN-learning curve.  Some of the things that you do in windows are so bass-ackwards, but you get used to it and accept it as normal because you don&#039;t know anything else.  Once you start to delve into the power of unix-like systems, it is absolutely amazing how easy system management can be.

There are some things that could be better.  I would like to see better enterprise management feature sin firefox and thunderbird, for example.  But I can also count on the fingers of one hand the number of virus infections we&#039;ve had (on our windows systems!) in the past 4-5 years, since we don&#039;t support outlook, and generally don&#039;t support IE either.

Don&#039;t fear the learning curve.  Take your time and explore.  Lights WILL start going on in your head, and you WILL learn the paradigm.  

As an unscientific example, my wife and I have been using linux at home for a couple of years now (ya gotta drink your own cool-aid, right?).  She is mostly non-technical, but has a ton of experience with word-processing systems, starting with dedicated wp systems like wang, nbi, displaywriter, and moving to wordperfect, and more recently, ms office.  She had a personal project to do for a class reunion that involved producing a semi-complex multi-column document.  I was out of the house, and she had to get going on this thing.  She later told me the only difficult thing was finding the right icon to launch the app (openoffice.org).  Once she found it she just blasted right through it.  ZERO major problems.  No panicked phone calls to me.  THAT says a lot to dispell the myth that opensource is difficult to use.

I might also mention the cygwin project for windows - another way to get your feet wet without blowing away your windows partition.  You can play around in the bash shell, and run linux services from your windows box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>webjourneyman,</p>
<p>I recall my first foray into linux &#8211; I think my first reason was pure ego &#8211; knowing linux or unix has an enormous amount of geek-cred.  I went out and bought a slackware book with a CD, a scsi drive and adapter (this was 1993 or so, no IDE support yet).  I remember being blown away by the complexity of the file system, the difficulty of getting X running, and so on.  Fast forward to 1998.  I was working in a mostly mac environment, w/novell servers.  They were very reliable, but the licensing was expensive.  I remember thinking about linux and wondering if it could serve files for mac clients, did some research and found the netatalk project.</p>
<p>Once I got that working under linuxppc (now defunct, I think) I had proof of concept.  We had a big network upgrade project going on, and new servers were part of the job.  We opted to go for linux (the savings allowed us to buy a robotic tape library).  I wish I had done more with it before that deployment, but it forced me to learn.  There are some things I miss about novell (permissions structure is one thing).  There is NOTHING I miss about the microsoft environment.  While many of my collegues at other similar organizations were turned into reboot monkeys, and having to deal with the difficulties of maintaining exchange, my stuff just ran and ran.</p>
<p>So yeah there&#8217;s a learning curve.  And there is also an UN-learning curve.  Some of the things that you do in windows are so bass-ackwards, but you get used to it and accept it as normal because you don&#8217;t know anything else.  Once you start to delve into the power of unix-like systems, it is absolutely amazing how easy system management can be.</p>
<p>There are some things that could be better.  I would like to see better enterprise management feature sin firefox and thunderbird, for example.  But I can also count on the fingers of one hand the number of virus infections we&#8217;ve had (on our windows systems!) in the past 4-5 years, since we don&#8217;t support outlook, and generally don&#8217;t support IE either.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fear the learning curve.  Take your time and explore.  Lights WILL start going on in your head, and you WILL learn the paradigm.  </p>
<p>As an unscientific example, my wife and I have been using linux at home for a couple of years now (ya gotta drink your own cool-aid, right?).  She is mostly non-technical, but has a ton of experience with word-processing systems, starting with dedicated wp systems like wang, nbi, displaywriter, and moving to wordperfect, and more recently, ms office.  She had a personal project to do for a class reunion that involved producing a semi-complex multi-column document.  I was out of the house, and she had to get going on this thing.  She later told me the only difficult thing was finding the right icon to launch the app (openoffice.org).  Once she found it she just blasted right through it.  ZERO major problems.  No panicked phone calls to me.  THAT says a lot to dispell the myth that opensource is difficult to use.</p>
<p>I might also mention the cygwin project for windows &#8211; another way to get your feet wet without blowing away your windows partition.  You can play around in the bash shell, and run linux services from your windows box.</p>
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		<title>By: webjourneyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>webjourneyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehing you said in the gimp-photoshop article struck a cord with me. You divided between geek&#039;s and creative people. The latter being identified by how painful they find learning to use Gimp after having already spent some painful time learning Photoshop. I think you&#039;re dead on here, perhaps creative people (this is actually an over pompus term) like I think I am, are far more interested in applying their unique personal twist to whatever tool or method, rather than learning to use a new tool or method. Very ego centric, very artsy fartsy and very typical of those that are labeled creative types.
Anyway, the same applies to Unix, I can see all the different way&#039;s Unix is superior to Windows and actually I wish I had the drive to learn it, it&#039;s just not happening. Learning a new interface is about as appealing to me as learning a differnt way to apply algebra to a purely theoretical problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehing you said in the gimp-photoshop article struck a cord with me. You divided between geek&#8217;s and creative people. The latter being identified by how painful they find learning to use Gimp after having already spent some painful time learning Photoshop. I think you&#8217;re dead on here, perhaps creative people (this is actually an over pompus term) like I think I am, are far more interested in applying their unique personal twist to whatever tool or method, rather than learning to use a new tool or method. Very ego centric, very artsy fartsy and very typical of those that are labeled creative types.<br />
Anyway, the same applies to Unix, I can see all the different way&#8217;s Unix is superior to Windows and actually I wish I had the drive to learn it, it&#8217;s just not happening. Learning a new interface is about as appealing to me as learning a differnt way to apply algebra to a purely theoretical problems.</p>
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		<title>By: xlinuks</title>
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		<dc:creator>xlinuks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nixkitty
You confused everything.
1. Linux and Unix don&#039;t exclude running proprietary software.
2. _All_ reports show (including those from Microsoft, however they prefer not to talk about this fact) that the MS IIS had the biggest number of _critical_ flaws. The least critical flaws had Red Hat (by a lot less). The servers running Linux did/do have more flaws but these are non-critical which means they can&#039;t cause susceptible damage (like the spam in a way).
Now think, do you want 1 critical flaw that destroys your whole database and anything it finds or 3 non-critical flaws that can&#039;t actually harm your system? Every (smart enough) sysadmin knows that it is important what kind of flaws you have, not their number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nixkitty<br />
You confused everything.<br />
1. Linux and Unix don&#8217;t exclude running proprietary software.<br />
2. _All_ reports show (including those from Microsoft, however they prefer not to talk about this fact) that the MS IIS had the biggest number of _critical_ flaws. The least critical flaws had Red Hat (by a lot less). The servers running Linux did/do have more flaws but these are non-critical which means they can&#8217;t cause susceptible damage (like the spam in a way).<br />
Now think, do you want 1 critical flaw that destroys your whole database and anything it finds or 3 non-critical flaws that can&#8217;t actually harm your system? Every (smart enough) sysadmin knows that it is important what kind of flaws you have, not their number.</p>
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		<title>By: Rea Maor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rea Maor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pyperdown.

I know what you&#039;re talking about, Converting people can be a nightmare,
people tend to Hate changed and it doesnt matter if it&#039;s better or worst..

the best way to try and explain them how good it might be is just to give them a LIVE version of Linux and let them play around it... no need to install or anything like it, just download, burn and reboot with CD in place...

they&#039;ll be able to see that it&#039;s actually very familiar interface and there&#039;s nothing to fear of changes... the only diffrence would be Saving money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pyperdown.</p>
<p>I know what you&#8217;re talking about, Converting people can be a nightmare,<br />
people tend to Hate changed and it doesnt matter if it&#8217;s better or worst..</p>
<p>the best way to try and explain them how good it might be is just to give them a LIVE version of Linux and let them play around it&#8230; no need to install or anything like it, just download, burn and reboot with CD in place&#8230;</p>
<p>they&#8217;ll be able to see that it&#8217;s actually very familiar interface and there&#8217;s nothing to fear of changes&#8230; the only diffrence would be Saving money.</p>
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		<title>By: pyperdown</title>
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		<dc:creator>pyperdown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would LOVE to deploy *nix on our enterprise desktops.  The biggest problem is getting end-user buy-in.  Most tech savvy people realise the many advantages, but your avg end-user does not belong to this club.  I would love to see some advice or guidance for technical people on selling the non-tech folks on switching.  While the reasons for doing so are quite plain to us, most of them just see the (perceived) pain involved in learning something new.  Those that I have gotten to try it have had few issues once the system is configured correctly.  Our CEO is a bit of an MS fanboy, and convincing him will be a bit of a challenge.  Most of the excellent points in this article will not be enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would LOVE to deploy *nix on our enterprise desktops.  The biggest problem is getting end-user buy-in.  Most tech savvy people realise the many advantages, but your avg end-user does not belong to this club.  I would love to see some advice or guidance for technical people on selling the non-tech folks on switching.  While the reasons for doing so are quite plain to us, most of them just see the (perceived) pain involved in learning something new.  Those that I have gotten to try it have had few issues once the system is configured correctly.  Our CEO is a bit of an MS fanboy, and convincing him will be a bit of a challenge.  Most of the excellent points in this article will not be enough.</p>
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		<title>By: xlinuks</title>
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		<dc:creator>xlinuks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those interested:
Here is a screenshot from Linux of NetBeans 5.5 while I&#039;m creating a Java 3D program in it:
http://www.geocities.com/xlinuks/pub/netbeans5.5.png

Many developers _still_ don&#039;t know (I was one of them) that there are wonderful, powerful and free IDEs available for Linux which successfully rival those from Micro$oft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those interested:<br />
Here is a screenshot from Linux of NetBeans 5.5 while I&#8217;m creating a Java 3D program in it:<br />
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/xlinuks/pub/netbeans5.5.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/xlinuks/pub/netbeans5.5.png</a></p>
<p>Many developers _still_ don&#8217;t know (I was one of them) that there are wonderful, powerful and free IDEs available for Linux which successfully rival those from Micro$oft.</p>
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		<title>By: xlinuks</title>
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		<dc:creator>xlinuks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ben said
like linux, and I think it&#039;s useful for a lot of things, but the .NET development platform is the best there is right now.&quot;

You&#039;re not right. Have a look at last version of Java and NetBeans 5.5 (which will soon get NetBeans 6). And it&#039;s available for Linux, Mac and Windows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ben said<br />
like linux, and I think it&#8217;s useful for a lot of things, but the .NET development platform is the best there is right now.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not right. Have a look at last version of Java and NetBeans 5.5 (which will soon get NetBeans 6). And it&#8217;s available for Linux, Mac and Windows.</p>
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		<title>By: Nixkitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nixkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THis is lame.  While a UNIX server may not get owned, the OSS software is still very susceptible to exploits.  There are plenty of them floating around for MySQL, PHP, etc.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THis is lame.  While a UNIX server may not get owned, the OSS software is still very susceptible to exploits.  There are plenty of them floating around for MySQL, PHP, etc&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Visual development&quot;/RAD is well and good when your problems can be solved with it.  Yet, every &quot;RAD coder&quot; should ask themselves while dragging around those components and connecting their properties: &quot;will I be able to maintain this with just an editor and the command line?&quot;  If not, then you&#039;ve got a real problem if (/when/) your do-it-for-me &quot;studio&quot; tools are suddenly not available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Visual development&#8221;/RAD is well and good when your problems can be solved with it.  Yet, every &#8220;RAD coder&#8221; should ask themselves while dragging around those components and connecting their properties: &#8220;will I be able to maintain this with just an editor and the command line?&#8221;  If not, then you&#8217;ve got a real problem if (/when/) your do-it-for-me &#8220;studio&#8221; tools are suddenly not available.</p>
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